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um this episode is skeptico a show about

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things you cannot see your thoughts

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attract things with a force that you

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cannot see but is definitely real but

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like you just said things that are

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definitely real Andy you're this

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unbelievable world-class Mystic you're

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leaving our time space continuum and

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then you have the ability to jump back

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in at these various other points

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substantiated by the fact that you're

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bringing back verifiable information

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what do you think is the mechanics of

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that so I have a mental model that I use

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to understand this and I don't know if

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it's right it's just this is how I see

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it I picture it as being kind of like a

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security guard with a bank of monitors

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and those those monitors are a view on

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all sorts of different things in

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different places some of them are

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different times and so would you ever

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monitor that security guard is looking

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at is what he's going to see that first

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clip is from the secret movie of 2020

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and the second was our guest Andy

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Paquette who if you don't know and we've

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done shows on this in the past it's the

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most amazing precognitive dreamer ever

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and that he dreams about things that are

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going to happen in the future he has a

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database over 10 000 the database has

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been verified over and over again he's a

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PhD he's published in peer-reviewed

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journals about his work many people have

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studied him

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amazing guy this dialogue is actually a

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continuation of the one we just had and

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I published as 582 so you don't really

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need to listen to that one to listen to

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this one they're completely different

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but we do kind of just roll right into

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this one so I guess if you wanted more

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of a background on Andy you could go

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there but otherwise I think you'll catch

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on really quickly to what's going on

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what about your dreamer sub stack I'm

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subscribed to that you can do that one

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too I just remembered by the way what do

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you think of the illustrations on there

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I actually made a few fresh just for

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that I remember some of them now that I

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think about it yeah you've done

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illustrates the dreams

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yeah and I can't believe I don't know

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where my own substance located in just a

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uh I you know what yes is I closed it

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because I didn't want to accidentally

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out myself it's Andy Paquette and then

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you just went and did it anyway because

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the thing is I really enjoyed making

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these illustrations and you know I kind

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of like this style actually quite a lot

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and one of these days I'd kind of like

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to make a book where I you know it just

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has these uh these illustrations along

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with uh the dreams that go with them uh

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just because I I think it would be you

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know interesting to look at as a book

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again while you're pulling that up 8 000

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I'm sure it's over 8 000 precognitive

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dreams recorded in a database a

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searchable database peer-reviewed

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research that's been done on it

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pre-cognitive dreams Andy goes to sleep

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and dreams something is going to happen

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and then he without revealing anything

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verifies that it did happen and then

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records it to you the dream and then all

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these other aspects about it which you

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can find in a sub stack that he's

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pulling up here and here are some of

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those illustrations go ahead yeah so

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this is a dream where I was shown the

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Boxing Day tsunami about three weeks

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before it happened so there is this this

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guy basically showing me that this is

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where it was going to happen it showed

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me the type of way and all the rest of

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that jazz this is the tidal wave and

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then the people running

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uh let's see this is a different game

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this is from a long long time ago this

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is about a guy who a ghost who didn't

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realize he died while drowning

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he couldn't stop that cycle this is from

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that tsunami dream again uh in this case

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it was the earthquake part of the

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tsunami because it was preceded by an

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earthquake so I saw an earthquake watch

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station in Japan and I was looking at

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this these readouts on their um geiger

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counter what are those things called you

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know what I'm talking about seismograph

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and then he was showing me where it was

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located on this globe which is basically

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the South Indian Ocean real real quick I

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I asked you this question and keep

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showing them it's so unbelievably

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beautiful I love your style I think it's

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just fantastic but you're Pro man I mean

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you have pro pro super pro on that you

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know I asked you this the other day and

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I wasn't totally satisfied with the

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answer that you gave

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what do you make of this what do you

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make of the fact that you're able to

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go into this state this altered state of

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consciousness which dreaming is an

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altered state of consciousness we don't

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think of it that way and you're able to

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access different timelines and pull back

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information about those timelines

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into our timeline what where do you go

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with that and then particularly with

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your own spirituality which is you know

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first off I don't know that I count

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myself as as religious I mean I do go to

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church but I I find that I disagree with

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you know some primary tenets of almost

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every religion actually probably all of

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them and it's primarily because it

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disagrees with my dreams which I

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actually trust more because I've

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actually been able to validate these

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things to an extent and that makes them

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more trustworthy to me than someone's

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interpretation of somebody's teachings

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that have been interpreted a thousand

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times already so which means they've

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gone through the game of telephone too

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many times to be completely trusted as

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far as I'm concerned but again while

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you're showing these beautiful beautiful

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slideshow incredible big picture

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question

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God or blob of Consciousness because a

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lot of people take what you're doing and

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say oh there's a blob of Consciousness

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there's a stream of Consciousness

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there's the akashic records that you can

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just go and get in there there is no

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moral imperative there is no hierarchy

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of Consciousness it's a blob of

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Consciousness where do you stand on that

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yeah I'd say it's a hierarchy and there

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is a God God is real I I actually I

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really resisted saying that for a very

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long time but at this point I don't

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think there's any other

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conclusion to draw from is God AI or

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should I say is AI God

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no it as far as I'm concerned and I

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don't want to go too far on the nature

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of God because there's really a limit to

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what I know and what I can infer from

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what I've seen but you can't say that

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that you can't say that that's an

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important part of this conversation you

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don't always peeves Me Andy and this is

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a separate interview but we're going to

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go ahead and roll it in is that all this

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discussion by these super intelligent

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people I love Lex Friedman I listen to

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him all the time I listen to all these

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other AI guys

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you are outside of space-time with these

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dreams all spiritually transformative

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experiences are outside of space-time

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AI is by definition inside of space-time

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it's in silicone it's here it's now it's

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on this time scale you are jumping out

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of the time scale so immediately that

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should eliminate it for anyone to

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consider it in kind of a literal way

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that AI is related to this so question

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number two where people go is is

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ET God

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no I wouldn't think so that would be

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part of the creation because the related

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there's a hierarchy of conscience it's

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bigger like you say we can't necessarily

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say what that light is but all

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indications are that it's bigger than

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that it's bigger than e t and it's

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bigger than a i and we don't know for

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sure but it's on this hierarchical scale

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I don't want to put words in your mouth

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but that's what I hear you saying is no

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it's it's a lot bigger than that bro

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so anyway I let me see if I can find

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that sub stack but yeah I'm getting I'm

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kind of getting a kick out of looking at

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these drawings now this is really fun uh

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oh this is a hilarious one this I I

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dreamed that a leprechaun had cost my

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mom's toilet to start flushing the water

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up like a fountain and so I I called her

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and I told her about this funny dream

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and she said it's funny because that

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morning her toilet had actually done

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this it's like the water was pushing up

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like a fountain and she had to call her

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um I have no idea how that happened or

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what this element meant but uh but

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nevertheless that part of it was true

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Andy go back go back yeah since we're

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we're streaming all through these

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because this is like again folks 8 000

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of these and he just told you a thousand

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five hundred actually I'm sorry 13 500.

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each one of them incredibly amazing I

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want you to add as much detail as you

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can or that you'd like to this

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particular dream what happens do you

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have any thoughts before you you go to

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bed you know are do you have multiple

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dreams how do you record it how do you

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verify it in this case if you can

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remember that because I think then

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someone can extrapolate to all the

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pictures that you've shown and all these

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huge events like tsunamis that kill a

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quarter of a million people tell us add

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any details you can to that particular

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leprechaun and the

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okay well I'm gonna pull up my dream

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Journal Record put it on the side so I'm

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going to look over here this is August

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13th oh wait no it isn't it's uh let me

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just look it up here I'm just gonna look

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it up in the database and I can tell you

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just so you know I have a pretty good

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recoil of my dreams that the details

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quite often Escape me so I have to look

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some up oh wow this is a long record

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okay so uh this particular night this is

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scene ID number five so this is at a

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minimum the fifth stream from that night

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can you pull that up what you're reading

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well I just want to make sure there's

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nothing like off color

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but because from that time period I had

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a couple like that but okay read for us

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if you will exactly what's on the screen

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because people aren't probably going to

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be able to see it

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I've got a bunch of tabs this one gives

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me an ID number for the record it's

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827. you got an ID number it's got its

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date of the dream what Journal it was in

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which is a paper Journal that I wrote In

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by hand what was the date this is 28th

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1990. I've got this one flagged as

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unusual because it mentions the

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leprechaun which is just kind of a weird

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thing and in this at this time I

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frequently got my wife mixed up with my

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mom and my dreams for some reason I

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don't know why but in this case I

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realized this was about my mom because

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of where it was located so I called her

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to verify it and and she said that

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indeed hold on hold on hold on I want to

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take it I want you to take it through

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sequentially you said it's the it's the

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fifth dream of the night how do you know

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that how what's the process like of your

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recall of the dream does it happen in

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the morning and then how do you record

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it when do you record it and then when

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do you verify it and then what did you

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actually record in this one okay well

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you know what it would be kind of fun

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let me uh stop the share so I can

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actually show you the journal it's in

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it's right behind me uh but I uh I

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record these in

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dream journals okay this is the wrong

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dream journal but you can see it okay

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this is right after it okay so this is

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all written by hand okay and this is him

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this big fat binder and I've got like I

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don't know 34 of you sitting here in my

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so what would happen is I would go to

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sleep and I'd probably sleep for maybe

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30 minutes or 40 minutes and I'd have a

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dream and then I would go ahead and wake

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up and write down the dream and then I

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go back to sleep and I wake up another

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hour later and I break down another

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dream and that would go on throughout

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the night so my sleep would be

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interrupted

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anywhere from usually you know three at

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a minimum to as many as like 15 times

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and I would write out 15 grams so it's

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not like I I waited until I was up for

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the day and I wrote them all out it

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usually was as they happen now these

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days I'm a little bit more lazy about

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that so I don't do that but it's not

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often although admittedly I did exactly

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that last night but usually not usually

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now I will just wait until I'm up for

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the day but in any events so I wrote the

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whole thing out and and then I was

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thinking all right based on the

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information in here I'm going to

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identify the person this happened to as

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my mom so I made exactly one call to my

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mom and I said Mom did this happen and

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in my notes Here I record that on looks

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like

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later that is uh oh that's probably

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because it's when the database is made

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anyway so she confirmed that indeed on

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that morning her toilet had ejected

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exactly the way I I had drawn it and as

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far as the rest of it goes I don't know

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if that was my for himself trying to

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make sense of why the toilet would be

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flushing that way or what but but the

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fact that the the toilet was ejecting

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the water straight up was true and I

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certainly had no way of of knowing that

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in advance you know some of these are

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just a second let me show the screen

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again some of these I'm sharing less

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because they're precognitive because a

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lot of them aren't precognitive some of

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them are and some of them are but some

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of them are actually very interesting

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for other reasons so I had one back here

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that I'm going to go towards which I

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found fascinating if I can find it and I

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I just I think about the oh shoot I'm

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just going to do it shortly I'm going to

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look at my my there we go okay so in

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this stream

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here

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I meet a guy who I know from Maine

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and he wants to show me something and he

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takes me basically to a portal and I go

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through the portal and all of a sudden

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I'm

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circumstances and somebody else has paid

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for the place I'm living in they they're

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paying for my food and my furniture and

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everything else and I'm grateful to have

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a place to stay and to have food and all

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the rest of it but I'm a little

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ungrateful because I I'm used to better

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things I mean like when I was California

377
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I made a good salary and I had really

378
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nice things so so not having those

379
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really put me out so I was I was kind of

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like grateful and not grateful at the

381
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same time I even slept on this

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threadbare mat on the ground okay and so

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uh I'm looking out the window which is

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right here and I see out the window I

385
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looked down and there's these guys in

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Orange costumes playing soccer and it

387
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looks like a medieval town somehow so I

388
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thought oh that's kind of interesting

389
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and but then as I'm thinking about these

390
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guys I'm suddenly transported to this

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other location and it's basically empty

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space except for a pedestal that has a

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Podium with a book on it and I go into

394
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this book and it's humongous book and

395
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when I open it it has this weird effect

396
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it actually makes me fly up so I'm like

397
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basically levitating and then when I

398
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close it it brings me back down so I'm

399
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thinking oh this is hilarious I'm going

400
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to show this to those guys who are

401
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playing soccer down there because and

402
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they're just walking into the room here

403
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I'm going to play a trick on them and so

404
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they uh they come over here I have gig

405
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line you know he keep my mind and I said

406
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okay take a look at this and the guy's

407
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like well heck the pages are all blank

408
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right which is what I saw but then they

409
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start filling up and they're filling up

410
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with the words of creation of all things

411
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it's I'm literally seeing the waterfall

412
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out of this book and I can see that each

413
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word is the thing itself and it's not

414
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just the thing itself it's the history

415
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it's the reason for its being it's how

416
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it got created it's who made it uh which

417
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is in this case God and it's the future

418
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of the thing and it's it's purpose and

419
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the reason why it's existing and how

420
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long it's going to be there and what's

421
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going to happen when it goes away it's

422
00:16:02,329 --> 00:16:00,420
like all this information it's just this

423
00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:02,339
amazing amount of information and it's

424
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,260
just pouring out and it's it's covering

425
00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:06,480
everything I see it's talking about the

426
00:16:11,449 --> 00:16:08,639
world and the grasses and the people and

427
00:16:13,009 --> 00:16:11,459
the animals and air gravity and just

428
00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:13,019
everything it's just expanding and

429
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expanding and filling the universe then

430
00:16:19,970 --> 00:16:17,940
I can see all this stuff being created

431
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:19,980
as the words are coming out of the book

432
00:16:24,290 --> 00:16:22,079
and you know like here I'm saying the

433
00:16:26,210 --> 00:16:24,300
words and then I'm seeing the thing in

434
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:26,220
this case the blade of grass okay and

435
00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:27,839
then I'm seeing the root systems for the

436
00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:29,220
grass and then I'm seeing the insects

437
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and how they interact with the grass and

438
00:16:33,889 --> 00:16:31,800
how you need to have both of those

439
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things and it's all accounted for and

440
00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:36,300
then this Grand Design of all this stuff

441
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and then I'm seeing all the people

442
00:16:41,449 --> 00:16:39,959
who've ever lived or ever will live and

443
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I'm seeing your whole histories I even

444
00:16:45,050 --> 00:16:43,680
see myself and I'm like hey I gotta take

445
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:45,060
that later to read in a different dream

446
00:16:49,069 --> 00:16:47,279
which I did by the way and then I see

447
00:16:50,449 --> 00:16:49,079
the author of all this stuff the author

448
00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:50,459
of all creation and that's how I think

449
00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:51,720
of them in the dream I'm not thinking of

450
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:52,980
his God but I think it's fair to

451
00:16:57,949 --> 00:16:55,680
identify him that way now so anyway so I

452
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see all this stuff being created and

453
00:17:00,829 --> 00:16:59,579
it's just fascinating and I realize you

454
00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:00,839
know what I actually have a

455
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responsibility to this guy now that I

456
00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:05,640
know why I was made and what my purpose

457
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:06,660
is

458
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I have an obligation to do the things

459
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that are required of me in this life but

460
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:15,780
the thing is was interesting is that

461
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after this particular scene that I made

462
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a drawing of I went back uh to you know

463
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like Earth and I was doing my own thing

464
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and the whole time I had this I was

465
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hyper aware

466
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that the creator of the universe was

467
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aware of every tiny thing I did or

468
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thought or set is absolutely aware of it

469
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and so any anything I did about her said

470
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it was not what I was meant for me and

471
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actually I had considerable Freedom

472
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within this but that there were certain

473
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things that I was expected to do when I

474
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do this so I knew lit God

475
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saw all this and I was like well I'm

476
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surviving so far he hasn't Zapped me yet

477
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so I guess this is okay but I also knew

478
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I had this duty to accomplish whatever

479
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this Duty was and So eventually I ran

480
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into those guys who are like my friends

481
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now who had seen uh playing soccer right

482
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and now they had a like a vegetable

483
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stand at a at a market in this medieval

484
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town and I said hey uh you know it's

485
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been kind of lonely walking around doing

486
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my whole thing how about you guys drop

487
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this stuff that you're supposed to do

488
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for God that you saw when the when the

489
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book opened up and then we can go do

490
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something fun and they're like no no you

491
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misunderstand want to do this we feel

492
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good doing this and now that you know

493
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all this stuff that you saw

494
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you have an obligation to report for

495
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doing yourself also okay and so that was

496
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the end of the dream but what I did not

497
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expect was that it actually had

498
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cognitive elements to it so some years

499
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later actually not too many years later

500
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might have been literally two years or a

501
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year and a half something like that I

502
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actually had a job offer to go let it

503
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work in the Netherlands and the thing is

504
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I didn't have much money at the time

505
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which

506
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you know because I basically left my

507
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career behind in Hollywood and and so

508
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they actually had to front me the money

509
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and provide me everything so they they

510
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you know got the apartment for me they

511
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,160
got groceries for me you know I had writ

512
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you know the furniture was rented it

513
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wasn't mine it was basically exactly

514
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like the dream and and the the place I

515
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was living

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was in a medieval village The Village

517
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had been found in like the year 1000 or

518
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something like that cathedral in town

519
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they started Construction in 1200 and

520
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finished in 1300 or so and most of the

521
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towns still looked like it was this

522
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ancient place so and I was sleeping on a

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thread beer mat and the reason was

524
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because there were so many bugs in the

525
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cop that I had that the the the

526
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threadbearer mat had fewer of these bugs

527
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so I thought it was more comfortable to

528
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sleep there so that's what I was okay

529
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what about the orange jerseys

530
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right so so one day I was I just woken

531
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up from a nap or something on that on

532
00:19:48,049 --> 00:19:46,440
that that mat it was a strum hat and I

533
00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:48,059
looked out the window I'm you know on

534
00:19:51,529 --> 00:19:49,980
the third floor and I saw these guys

535
00:19:53,090 --> 00:19:51,539
playing soccer outside wearing orange

536
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,100
jerseys it was World Cup you know the

537
00:19:56,810 --> 00:19:54,960
guys in the Netherlands are absolutely

538
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honors for the World Cup and that's

539
00:20:00,049 --> 00:19:58,200
their color I mean that's their color

540
00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:00,059
anyone knows the Netherlands they're all

541
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orange I mean it's all it's like and I

542
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,039
had no idea of this I mean at the time I

543
00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:06,960
had the dream I certainly you know that

544
00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:08,520
was the other thing about the dream is I

545
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:10,919
wasn't expecting that the combination of

546
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,200
modern and medieval elements and it

547
00:20:16,669 --> 00:20:15,120
didn't make sense to me I hadn't I

548
00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:16,679
didn't remember ever seeing a city like

549
00:20:21,049 --> 00:20:18,900
that before and as it turns out I had

550
00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:21,059
because I had been to Europe when I was

551
00:20:26,270 --> 00:20:23,940
uh in my teens but but it wasn't exactly

552
00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:26,280
what I was expecting to do later that's

553
00:20:30,289 --> 00:20:28,380
certainly not when I was in my 40s so

554
00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:30,299
anyway but the but the town I was in

555
00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:32,160
definitely had that picture of modern

556
00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:35,220
and in ancient Andy you're this

557
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,760
unbelievable world-class Mystic you just

558
00:20:43,070 --> 00:20:41,280
saw I mean that's like I said the very

559
00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:43,080
beginning this interview I said

560
00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:46,260
now you know why Trish McGregor said I

561
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:47,640
think he might be the most psychic

562
00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:49,919
person I've ever met in my life so this

563
00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:51,480
is mind-blowing you're listening to this

564
00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:55,080
little tiny tiny show skeptico and

565
00:20:58,970 --> 00:20:56,520
you're hearing

566
00:21:00,770 --> 00:20:58,980
just this incredible flow of information

567
00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:00,780
from

568
00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:04,020
a mystical source which is Andy

569
00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:06,900
as a Mystic though and as I've kind of

570
00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:10,740
explored this you know this stuff is

571
00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:13,140
it always seems allegorical when you

572
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:14,940
break it down you know there's the

573
00:21:18,289 --> 00:21:16,380
near-death experience they come back and

574
00:21:20,510 --> 00:21:18,299
there's contradictions to these things

575
00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:20,520
so I'm wondering a couple of things

576
00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:23,220
number one I'm wondering what do you

577
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:25,740
understand to be the mechanics if you

578
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,820
will the closer to technology part of

579
00:21:33,649 --> 00:21:31,200
you

580
00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:33,659
and when I say closer to technology part

581
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:35,580
I think a lot of us are really

582
00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:38,700
investigating this are wondering how we

583
00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:41,340
should understand this you slipping in

584
00:21:45,649 --> 00:21:43,260
and out of this timeline because that's

585
00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:45,659
what you're doing you're leaving our

586
00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:48,299
time space continuum you're jumping out

587
00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:50,340
of it and then you have the ability to

588
00:21:54,250 --> 00:21:52,380
jump back in at these various other

589
00:21:56,210 --> 00:21:54,260
points apparently

590
00:21:58,270 --> 00:21:56,220
substantiated by the fact that you're

591
00:22:01,549 --> 00:21:58,280
bringing back verifiable information

592
00:22:03,529 --> 00:22:01,559
what do you think first is the mechanics

593
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,539
of that and then I want to ask you about

594
00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:06,480
the meaning of that why why is that why

595
00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:09,059
is that there and how can you be so sure

596
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,880
about this hierarchy of Consciousness

597
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,440
isn't

598
00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:16,080
some hierarchy of control

599
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,419
a lot of questions there so go for it

600
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,919
yeah I'm gonna say that's a lot of

601
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,600
questions there so I have a mental model

602
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:24,840
that I use to understand this okay and I

603
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,980
don't know if it's right it's just this

604
00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:27,840
is how I see it and I gave this to you

605
00:22:31,490 --> 00:22:29,820
the other day but I picture it as being

606
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,500
kind of like a security guard with a

607
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,880
bank of monitors and those those

608
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:35,520
monitors are a view on all sorts of

609
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,080
different things in different places and

610
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:38,880
some of them are different times okay

611
00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:41,580
and so whichever monitor that security

612
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,940
guard is looking at is what he's going

613
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:47,039
to see okay so if he's looking at the

614
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:48,240
future he's going to see the future he's

615
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:49,140
looking at something else he's going to

616
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:51,000
see something else whatever it is now

617
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:53,640
the way I see it we have like a security

618
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:55,860
code if you know a password it gives us

619
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:58,679
access to in most cases one of those

620
00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:00,780
monitors and it's our own life on our

621
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,000
timeline but sometimes for whatever

622
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:04,799
reason we get access to some of the

623
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,020
other monitors and for whatever reason I

624
00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:08,640
I think that's kind of what's going on

625
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:10,200
here that's just how I visualize it

626
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:12,120
anyway we'll give you all these access

627
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:13,140
codes

628
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:16,140
you're the one who gets them all I'm not

629
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:17,940
saying they're really access codes I'm

630
00:23:22,570 --> 00:23:19,620
just saying that's how I'm picturing it

631
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:22,580
and I'm saying is it your same analogy

632
00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:24,780
why does Andy have all these access

633
00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:28,200
codes number two why do sometimes for

634
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,059
people who come back with Incredible

635
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:31,919
information about these access codes

636
00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:33,900
sometimes that information doesn't pan

637
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:35,700
out sometimes the future doesn't happen

638
00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:37,799
sometimes they get caught up in kind of

639
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:40,380
strange beliefs and you know things that

640
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,260
really kind of contradict logic why

641
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:45,600
aren't why aren't those screens always

642
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:49,140
perfect and what is the whole mechanism

643
00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:52,020
if you will say about the nature of this

644
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,179
Ultimate Reality not our reality down

645
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,919
here because all of a sudden our reality

646
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:58,320
down here seems kind of almost not

647
00:24:02,570 --> 00:24:00,179
trivial but like much much less

648
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:02,580
significant because you're now at a

649
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:08,690
who gave you the access codes okay

650
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:09,900
because I actually had a dream about

651
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:11,340
that that I remembered while you were

652
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,580
talking okay so in the dream I was told

653
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:16,799
that in

654
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:19,980
otherwise I had actually done so much

655
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:22,860
like work and I understood it to be like

656
00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:25,380
meditation and more spiritual types of

657
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:27,539
things but that I had I had a certain

658
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,640
level of knowledge that I had developed

659
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:31,919
that makes this possible and it's

660
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,960
certainly not the only person that this

661
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,220
happens to it happens to lots of people

662
00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:38,280
but uh so I would say the state minority

663
00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:40,260
of the population is still you know a

664
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:42,900
large number oh it doesn't no it doesn't

665
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:46,919
indeed what go ahead well all right fine

666
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,539
so obviously Alex and I disagree on

667
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:50,159
something but in any event but

668
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:52,500
apparently it's like other experiences

669
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:56,220
before this life somehow gave me this

670
00:25:01,370 --> 00:24:58,500
this access that's how it looks anyway

671
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,380
in that dream but as far as when it

672
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:02,880
breaks down

673
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:05,460
um you know I in my own dreams I

674
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,980
certainly see examples where

675
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:09,360
um they're right but the way I wrote

676
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:12,539
them down was wrong so like where I I

677
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:14,220
describe something inaccurately because

678
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,539
I didn't really understand what I was

679
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:17,580
looking at now I'm very careful about

680
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,380
how I record things now because of that

681
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:21,480
because I and this is something if you

682
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,159
don't accept the possibility that you're

683
00:25:26,269 --> 00:25:24,720
dreaming about something real you're

684
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:26,279
never going to think about this if you

685
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,640
if you accept that possibility yes I'll

686
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,500
give you a specific example that I often

687
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,600
use that's kind of drives the point home

688
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,700
I interviewed this guy a near-death

689
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:38,159
experiencer I have no reason to doubt

690
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:41,460
his experience and it was really quite

691
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,640
dramatic stung by these box jellyfish

692
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:46,679
that can kill your stuff seven times he

693
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,299
was actually put in the morgue he was in

694
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:51,120
this oh I know all right right comes

695
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,580
back comes back to tell us all that

696
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:56,400
near-death experience is exclusively

697
00:26:02,510 --> 00:25:59,460
Christian experience and he knows this

698
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:02,520
because he met Jesus he met God and he

699
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,620
goes around to all churches and talks to

700
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:06,179
Christian people and he says look if

701
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,059
you're not seeing Jesus in your nde I'll

702
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:12,240
tell you buddy then you're it's satanic

703
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:14,940
you know no this guy I don't want to put

704
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:18,900
him down because he he had a screen over

705
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:21,720
there right he he left to that other

706
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:25,260
dimension he had a screen he interpreted

707
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:27,480
it and if you listen to what he says

708
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:30,779
he's not like completely misinterpreting

709
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:34,620
it he's like no I met Jesus this is what

710
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,900
Jesus told me I got another guy David

711
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:40,080
ditchfield same met Jesus you push him a

712
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:41,580
little bit further and he goes well I'm

713
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:42,900
not really sure if there was something

714
00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:45,539
above that that I didn't see but again

715
00:26:49,690 --> 00:26:48,299
that data coming back to us

716
00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:49,700
is

717
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:52,919
problematic in a number of ways thank

718
00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:56,400
you and I also I I know about the

719
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:57,900
situation you're talking about with the

720
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,419
box jellyfish guy and I'm a little

721
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:02,880
disappointed with him interpreting the

722
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:04,980
experiences that way myself just because

723
00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:06,600
there's other data that contradicts it

724
00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:07,860
and I think there's a good reason to

725
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:09,059
believe that the other data is more

726
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:11,159
accurate than his interpretation gotta

727
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:13,320
interject but let's be clear because

728
00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:15,179
because you're really laying it on the

729
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:16,980
line here in a way that I've never I'm

730
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:18,779
so grateful for you to have this

731
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:20,100
conversation because we've talked for a

732
00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:21,720
long time I've always tried to get to

733
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:23,220
this point and never gotten there so

734
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:26,400
we're right on the cusp no Andy he's

735
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,200
saying yes I'm interpreting this and

736
00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:30,960
that but I'm not interpreting the whole

737
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:33,059
thing kind of like your dream you're

738
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:34,679
drawing these incredible illustrations

739
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,140
if someone came and said oh no there

740
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,120
wasn't one male there there were six

741
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:42,240
women you'd go no no there wasn't there

742
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,520
was one guy there and he was dressed

743
00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:47,279
like this so that is his he's not saying

744
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,740
he's maybe a little bit off their this

745
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:51,840
or that he's saying no you're off

746
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:54,360
because it was Jesus and Jesus told me

747
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,760
this why would he come back let me let

748
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:58,559
me just ask this question why do you

749
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,559
expect him to come back and reinterpret

750
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,740
reimagine his experience based on your

751
00:28:09,649 --> 00:28:07,919
data any more than I would tell you to

752
00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:09,659
do the same thing no Andy don't worry

753
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,919
about your dream your dream isn't

754
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:13,200
doesn't conform to the data put that one

755
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:15,539
aside yeah you're you're thinking I'm

756
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,340
talking about the wrong part of this um

757
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:18,960
because I don't contest the fact that

758
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:20,760
he's saying I saw Jesus the the thing

759
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,260
that is bothering me is him telling

760
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,000
other people that if you don't see Jesus

761
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:26,640
it's an attack that's that's what Jesus

762
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:29,159
that's what Jesus told him why do you

763
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:31,260
want what I didn't get that I thought

764
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:33,419
that was his interpretation okay that's

765
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:34,860
interesting I'd have to think about that

766
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,020
I I had I didn't realize that that was

767
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:38,880
uh see this is the problem with the

768
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:41,580
Mystic is that when the Mystic comes

769
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:45,000
back and is confronted with the reason

770
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:48,779
and logic which is we can't dismiss or

771
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:51,900
discount the reason in logic and say no

772
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:54,539
that doesn't conform to all these other

773
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:58,200
accounts no The Entity that you saw is

774
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,419
contradicted by

775
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,080
Gregory shushan's analysis of near-death

776
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:06,000
experiences across culture across time

777
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:09,480
in 600 you know it doesn't conform to

778
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:12,539
that I think too often I I hear the

779
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:15,539
Mystic just plow ahead rather than give

780
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,100
pause and say

781
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,500
I don't know why that I don't know why I

782
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:21,360
got that information and someone else

783
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:23,460
got information that does contradict

784
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,880
what I what I was given well when you're

785
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,760
okay basically you're illustrating is

786
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,120
imperfect knowledge and I think I think

787
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,279
that's a given I kind of assume it when

788
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,200
it comes to this kind of stuff I assume

789
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:39,440
it's like you know like a fragment or a

790
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:41,399
glance at something that you're not

791
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,980
really seeing the whole thing

792
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,840
um kind of like archeology where you're

793
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:47,580
you're digging up the tombs but you

794
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:48,779
can't talk to the people who are there

795
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:50,279
to explain how they got there you have

796
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,380
to kind of figure it out and I think

797
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:53,760
that there's always going to be a level

798
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:56,640
of interpretation in all of this stuff

799
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:58,679
um including anything that I talk about

800
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:59,880
um and actually I know that because

801
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:01,380
while I was talking about one of them I

802
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:03,720
was saying I figured this wasn't you

803
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:04,919
know who I thought it was in the dream

804
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,539
it was somebody else and I did that

805
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,159
based on other clues that were within it

806
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,840
that I've learned to recognize based on

807
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,480
examining these things carefully

808
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:14,520
um and in the same way like uh some of

809
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:16,020
the other research I've done I've

810
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:17,640
certainly found some things that are

811
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,580
correct they're genuine observations but

812
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:22,399
how they got there what they're doing

813
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:26,820
that's me interpreting what I see so I I

814
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:27,960
think that when you're when you're

815
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:29,399
talking about the box jellyfish guy

816
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:32,700
whose name I I'm sorry it escapes me but

817
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:34,919
um Ian McCormick but there you go that's

818
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:36,659
it yeah Ian requirement so uh when

819
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,460
you're talking about en

820
00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:40,559
I don't want to Discount what he

821
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,419
experience or what he says the

822
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:44,820
experience or how he recalls it but on

823
00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:47,640
the other hand the way he's he's

824
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:50,279
presenting this to other people

825
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,260
doesn't seem completely correct to me

826
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:54,240
okay and if that one part that you just

827
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:56,100
said is literally something straight out

828
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:57,120
of a stream

829
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,600
then I I I'm asking myself okay how

830
00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:02,640
could that be true well I'll tell you

831
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,860
I'll tell you my interpretation of how

832
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:07,440
it can be true and it it's like I'm

833
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:10,200
jumping into your story but that's okay

834
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:12,419
because I can jump into your story

835
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,659
you're not you are here talking to me

836
00:31:20,889 --> 00:31:18,000
you're not in that mystical State you're

837
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:20,899
you're here now you're not in that other

838
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,340
alternative timeline and that's what I

839
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,919
think the the mystics always forget is

840
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:28,559
that I can relate to this in a way that

841
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,919
I process dreams number one I I was just

842
00:31:36,169 --> 00:31:33,840
kind of a normal dreamer until my son

843
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:36,179
turned me onto lucid dreams and he

844
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,340
turned me on if you will just by telling

845
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:40,440
me repeatedly over and over that he was

846
00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:41,880
having lucid dreams and an

847
00:31:45,649 --> 00:31:43,260
eight-year-old kid and he's your son

848
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,659
you're like he's not making this up so

849
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:47,279
then you research it a little bit and

850
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,260
anyone who's looked into lucid dreaming

851
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:52,200
will tell you the the the most likely

852
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:53,820
trigger event for you having lucid

853
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:56,039
dreams or not having lucid dreams is n't

854
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,480
telling you that it's possible to have

855
00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:59,279
lucid dreams as soon as they tell you

856
00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:01,559
then your mind can do it but as soon as

857
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:03,779
you have a lucid dream my experience

858
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:07,200
with it is I suddenly realize that all

859
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,340
my dreams were this combination of me in

860
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:13,620
control and something else in control

861
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:17,100
and that I was in this dance of creating

862
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:20,760
and seeing the unfolding of it and so

863
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,100
that's part number one that I would have

864
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:25,740
to resolve inside of you know everything

865
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:28,500
that you've done but number two is I

866
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:30,179
think back on dreams that I've had for a

867
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:32,340
long time even in the morning I will and

868
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,020
they are

869
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:37,679
no longer of the same nature that they

870
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:40,500
were there so I just got to believe that

871
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:43,860
when we're in this timeline in this time

872
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:46,679
space continuum we'll have some aspect

873
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:49,559
of that greater but of course it's not

874
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:51,960
going to be accurate it's it's we're

875
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,840
human we're down here

876
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,059
yeah well okay you know on a basic level

877
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,880
I can go along with that uh

878
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:01,919
yeah I can go along with that that we're

879
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:04,620
going to be making those kinds of either

880
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,600
mistakes or interpretations or maybe

881
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:08,100
even the messages delivered to us in

882
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:09,720
such a way that we on purpose make those

883
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,679
mistakes

884
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:12,000
because

885
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:13,860
the message has to be delivered that way

886
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:16,440
for us to understand it

887
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:18,299
um and I can picture that too with Ian

888
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,799
McCormick that it would be delivered in

889
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:20,880
fact actually this reminds me of

890
00:33:24,529 --> 00:33:22,620
something I found really interesting in

891
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,539
this book that I get a huge kick out of

892
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:26,880
I read it probably I don't know 30 or 40

893
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:30,360
times now uh Boy Who Saw true this is

894
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:31,740
literally my favorite book it's an

895
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:33,240
anonymous it's a reproduction of an

896
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:35,820
anonymous diary from like a six-year-old

897
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:37,380
kid

898
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:40,019
um back in the 1880s he happens to be

899
00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:43,019
Clairvoyant doesn't know it and so he

900
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:44,940
just wrote this diary out after he died

901
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:47,820
his widow brought it to uh Cyril Scott

902
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:49,980
who is a musician who publishes a few

903
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:51,419
books at the time and asked him if he'd

904
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,100
be willing to find a way to get it

905
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:55,080
published and so he published it with

906
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,419
some notes um but one of the things in

907
00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:00,480
there is the boy is saying that I saw

908
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,580
Jesus again I saw him tonight and this

909
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:04,320
is what he said I saw Jesus he says this

910
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,779
several times but at a certain point in

911
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:09,359
the book he has a

912
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:12,960
a tutor and the tutor figures out that

913
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:15,419
the kid is Clairvoyant and starts asking

914
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,540
questions about it and um and during one

915
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:20,399
of those sessions

916
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,619
um it comes up that it's not Jesus it's

917
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:25,679
it's uh the astral body

918
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,200
um some Indian in India who is sleeping

919
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,520
at the time and giving him instruction

920
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:32,639
while he's sleeping and he says I didn't

921
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:34,260
tell you before because it was

922
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:35,820
convenient

923
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:38,639
because it would be too confusing for

924
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:41,339
you at your age for me to

925
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:43,619
um to to tell you who I really was

926
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:45,300
because you just wouldn't understand it

927
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:46,679
but now that you've got this tutor here

928
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,060
I can explain to him and he can explain

929
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:49,919
it to you and you're gonna understand it

930
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:52,379
now so now you know you can just know me

931
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:54,119
as your friend from from this other

932
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,740
place

933
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:57,900
um so I can certainly picture that kind

934
00:35:03,050 --> 00:34:59,339
of thing going on all over the place

935
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,060
where it's not a like a malignant uh uh

936
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:05,400
action you know designs to pull the wool

937
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:06,900
over our eyes or deceive Us in any way

938
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:09,720
it's more that they just allow less

939
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,260
our knowledge and our experience and our

940
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:16,560
connection to these things to Define how

941
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:19,140
we understand what we're being told so

942
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:20,940
that I can picture

943
00:35:25,609 --> 00:35:23,940
so Andy back to the the final question

944
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,619
the big question

945
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:28,560
what does this tell you kind of deep

946
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:31,500
deep in your soul about the nature of

947
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:32,579
reality

948
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:36,180
and I keep hearing consistently the data

949
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:40,200
the data the data is love is goodness is

950
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,420
light and that comes through again and

951
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:44,640
again and then I hear so many folks who

952
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:46,859
want to ignore that don't want to talk

953
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,300
about that it's like we went through the

954
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:49,920
the whole thing with the near-death

955
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:53,099
experience science for 20 years and you

956
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,320
know I always remember well one

957
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:57,300
researcher and I'm almost sure it was

958
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,300
Jeff Long who said look everyone's

959
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:02,640
ignoring the fact that the overwhelming

960
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,859
statistic here is that like in the high

961
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:07,680
90s people are saying it's about love

962
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:10,980
it's about connection to the light and

963
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:13,020
the reason I bring that up is

964
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:17,579
I I don't like hold on to that because I

965
00:36:22,930 --> 00:36:19,859
want to believe it I hold on to it

966
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:22,940
because the data for that is

967
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:25,980
overwhelming and everyone seems to want

968
00:36:34,329 --> 00:36:31,800
to just talk about a i and e t and all

969
00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:34,339
this stuff that's just so much more

970
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:36,839
backdoor materialism kind of stuff which

971
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,060
is interesting and occupies our our

972
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,060
imagination but it just seems to be a

973
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:44,880
whole leap away from the essence The

974
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,240
Core Essence of the data I happen to

975
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:49,440
agree with that and that's certainly

976
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,660
consistent with my own experience I mean

977
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:54,000
I certainly see like a darker side of

978
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,859
this but that's not

979
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,480
that's not the goal that's not the

980
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:59,400
objective it's it's not what

981
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:01,079
everything's trending towards it's what

982
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:02,579
we're trying we're cutting away from

983
00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:05,460
okay so when I see people talking about

984
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:07,859
the unpleasant ndes for instance as as

985
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,380
proof of the idea that they're not all

986
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:12,540
Pleasant I would say that's because of

987
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,460
that person's mental construct or their

988
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:16,079
you know the condition of their Spirit

989
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,880
at that time is causing that to happen

990
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,740
but yeah everything is about love and

991
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,599
light I think that is ultimately the

992
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:23,460
message of everything that I've been

993
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,740
getting anyway although initially when I

994
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:27,300
started this research that's not what I

995
00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:29,339
was looking at I was just and that's how

996
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:31,079
I got drawn into it I got drawn in

997
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,460
because I was seeing I was having dreams

998
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:33,599
of the future and actually it wasn't

999
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,460
even because I saw it my wife saw it she

1000
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:37,440
got me uh looking into it and I thought

1001
00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:39,720
she was right it was only over time

1002
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:42,599
after I accepted that part of it that I

1003
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,000
started seeing the other stuff and I I

1004
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:47,280
saw you know I've seen God in libraries

1005
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:49,260
I as far as I'm concerned he's very real

1006
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,700
and as far as the nature of reality is

1007
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:52,320
concerned what we're experiencing right

1008
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:54,180
now is not reality this is the dream

1009
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,800
state this is

1010
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,040
what we call dreams is our very poor

1011
00:38:04,329 --> 00:38:02,220
Recollections of the real world okay so

1012
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:04,339
it to me it's the the permanent

1013
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:07,140
existence that is more real than the

1014
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:08,520
information one and this physical

1015
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:10,440
universe is important and the spiritual

1016
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:13,800
one is permanent so that's reality

1017
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:15,660
I said that was the final question I'll

1018
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:17,940
slip one more in how high is the

1019
00:38:21,710 --> 00:38:20,579
hierarchy how far does it go I kind of

1020
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:21,720
have a sense that this is where people

1021
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:24,180
stumble they see the hierarchy down here

1022
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:26,220
and that's what they think of hierarchy

1023
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,440
and I think what we're talking about the

1024
00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:32,160
data comes back and says no no it's like

1025
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:35,000
an order of magnitude more magnitudes

1026
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,740
magnitude beyond that in terms of the

1027
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:39,720
hierarchy what are your thoughts

1028
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,700
I wouldn't be surprised I mean if you

1029
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,440
look at a gradient of the computer

1030
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:46,079
that's got a high text screen right you

1031
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,060
know you go green to yellow or any any

1032
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,400
two colors right you can have millions

1033
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:52,740
and millions of variations of yellow and

1034
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:55,260
orange from one side to the other as it

1035
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,540
Blends from one color to the other and I

1036
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:58,800
would say that when you're talking about

1037
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,260
hierarchies of spiritual hierarchies

1038
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,880
it's going to have to do with the

1039
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:05,760
individual history of every individual

1040
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,619
spirit and it's going to be much more

1041
00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:10,380
numerous than all of those pixels in the

1042
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,359
gradient pattern because everyone's

1043
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:13,920
going to be that much different and

1044
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,000
that's going to put them in a different

1045
00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:17,640
location and ultimately I would say it

1046
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:20,579
we're not talking ranks you know like a

1047
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,680
major or a kernel on a general what

1048
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,780
we're looking at is just exactly who we

1049
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:26,880
are and where we fit in and how where

1050
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,220
those experiences places and how it adds

1051
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:31,440
to our knowledge but we are all

1052
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:33,480
different and that's the hierarchy if

1053
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,820
that makes any sense and as as far as

1054
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:37,619
you know some people are having or some

1055
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,300
Spirits having more

1056
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,220
sway than others that would just be

1057
00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:43,800
because they have more knowledge or

1058
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,500
experience in a relevant area and that

1059
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,420
would put them in a position to share

1060
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:49,920
that with someone else but it doesn't

1061
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:52,380
necessarily mean that they're above them

1062
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,420
you know actually another way from where

1063
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:56,700
you saw true that I really liked is in

1064
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:59,700
that book the boy's mother is

1065
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:01,320
kind of frightened by the fact that he

1066
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,700
seems to be Clairvoyant I mean she

1067
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:04,800
doesn't comes out and says it but you

1068
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:05,940
can tell she's like you know maybe

1069
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:07,020
there's something wrong with your eyes

1070
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:09,000
you know when he sees ghosts right we'll

1071
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,220
have enough optician in here to look on

1072
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:13,140
you and we're going to bring you to the

1073
00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:15,900
perk for sure spa and see if you know

1074
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:18,060
the the taking the waters there will

1075
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:19,859
improve your vision problems or whatever

1076
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:22,980
so the thing is that one thing the boy

1077
00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:25,260
has told one of these Clairvoyant

1078
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:28,500
encounters with the Tudor present is

1079
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,900
you had to know about this and you had

1080
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:32,400
to meet The Suitor at this time in your

1081
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:35,700
life because your mother cannot

1082
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:38,040
appreciate your gifts she has a closed

1083
00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:39,599
mind of this kind of a thing she lacks

1084
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:40,920
knowledge of this she lacks any

1085
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,500
experience of it it does spray her and

1086
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:45,599
you needed to know that this was okay

1087
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:48,599
and that's why we arranged for you to

1088
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:49,800
have this tutor so that you could have

1089
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:51,780
someone you can talk to but the thing

1090
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:53,640
you also need to understand is that for

1091
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,320
all that she doesn't know about this she

1092
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:56,940
knows other things you don't know and

1093
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:58,920
you have no experience of and she will

1094
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:01,500
help you in those areas so you need to

1095
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,480
be aware that even though you might be

1096
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:05,099
above her in knowledge in this area

1097
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:07,560
she's about you in other areas and those

1098
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:10,980
are also important so when I when I look

1099
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:14,460
at this concept of hierarchy I yeah the

1100
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,339
reason I specify it is we are who we are

1101
00:41:21,890 --> 00:41:19,440
in that places is where we belong in

1102
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:21,900
that hierarchy I want to

1103
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,020
keep in mind that we all have these

1104
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,880
different experiences and that puts all

1105
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:28,800
of us above somebody else and all of us

1106
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:31,140
below somebody else because there's

1107
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:32,400
always someone who knows more there's

1108
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:34,320
always somebody who knows less until you

1109
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,780
get to the top of this we're talking God

1110
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,700
but like in my case I can talk to you

1111
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,740
about you know certain subjects and

1112
00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:42,000
other subjects I'd be completely

1113
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,619
hopeless and I think that extends in

1114
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:44,880
every direction

1115
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:50,040
why evil why does it exist and should we

1116
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,540
resist it

1117
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:53,280
this is not the question I expected to

1118
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,079
be answering today I don't know quite

1119
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,119
frankly I I think it'd be kind of tough

1120
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:00,060
to say why but I think it may be because

1121
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,060
we have free will to experiment in this

1122
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:05,760
reality and free will you look at simply

1123
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,560
as curiosity in this particular case I

1124
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,880
mean I've been curious about things that

1125
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:10,500
were amazingly stupid

1126
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:13,020
you know like I I once was curious about

1127
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:15,060
all these bees that were or wasps that

1128
00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:16,260
are coming out of a hole in the ground

1129
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:18,119
in a field when I was a kid and I

1130
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,260
thought I wonder what happened if I put

1131
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:22,079
my foot over this hole okay and next

1132
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,820
thing I knew I had my foot on a landline

1133
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,560
basically because I had a who knows how

1134
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,359
many hundreds of those guys eager to get

1135
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,800
out and as soon as I moved like what

1136
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,680
they got I got like 20 stings in my neck

1137
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:33,420
from that experience it's horrible it's

1138
00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:34,440
the most painful thing I've ever

1139
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:36,359
experienced in my life and as far as I'm

1140
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:37,800
concerned evil is no more complicated

1141
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:39,900
than that it's somebody gets curious

1142
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:41,940
what's going to happen if I do this okay

1143
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:44,040
they get the reaction okay maybe it's

1144
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:45,540
delayed sometimes they get the reaction

1145
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,400
and what they did was what I did with

1146
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,960
that you could say was evil in the sense

1147
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,000
that I shouldn't have done it I was

1148
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,280
blocking a passageway intentionally and

1149
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,200
thus causing potential harm to the

1150
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:57,300
insects underneath it my understanding

1151
00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:00,060
of evil is more along the lines of

1152
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:03,060
a blockage of the light that is

1153
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:05,579
convenient at the time or seems logical

1154
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:08,720
at the time and we make that decision

1155
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:12,780
and then that gets us into a pattern

1156
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:14,760
yeah I can see that happening I mean I

1157
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:17,099
can also see people developing a taste

1158
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:18,300
for you I mean we certainly have

1159
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:20,040
examples of psychopaths who do really

1160
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,480
crazy evil things

1161
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:22,800
and

1162
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,920
in those cases I would say it's it

1163
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,480
actually in every case a lack of

1164
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,700
understanding on their part and it

1165
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,200
causes this stuff to happen it doesn't

1166
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:32,640
make it any less evil and it doesn't

1167
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:33,720
mean it shouldn't be stopped it

1168
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:36,599
absolutely should be but but the fact is

1169
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,240
there are reasons why that would happen

1170
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,400
and I think ultimately you know when

1171
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,960
psychologists look at this Step A lot of

1172
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,920
times they say well this is

1173
00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:45,599
psychological damage due to you know

1174
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:46,980
certain things happening in your

1175
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,260
upbringing and I can tell you I've had

1176
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,640
the kind of upbringing that would put me

1177
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:53,040
in that category pretty easily and it

1178
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:54,359
didn't affect me that way and I know

1179
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,440
plenty of other people that have

1180
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,640
backgrounds like that and it doesn't

1181
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:58,380
affect them that way and I also know

1182
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,119
people who've had very comfortable lives

1183
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,220
you know their parents were wealthy and

1184
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,319
everybody liked them and you know they

1185
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:07,040
went to church and yet they turn into

1186
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:10,020
sadistic Warehouse so ultimately I don't

1187
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:11,640
think those kinds of things are the

1188
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:13,260
reality of it I think the reality is

1189
00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:14,819
spiritual one and it's where they come

1190
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,500
from and where they come from is not

1191
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,660
their appearance where they come from is

1192
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:21,119
the accumulated experiences of their

1193
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,819
spirit and that's where evil comes from

1194
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:26,240
does that make sense Andy this has been

1195
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,220
just amazing and I hope we can share it

1196
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,020
with other people and they find it to be

1197
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,800
amazing and if only a couple do

1198
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:36,720
then they're the right ones to have

1199
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:39,599
received it so it's all good uh thank

1200
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:42,060
you so so much you are

1201
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,339
you're just unbelievable

1202
00:44:49,309 --> 00:44:47,760
well thank you too I appreciate it now

1203
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:49,319
by the way in keeping with the

1204
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,060
everything is light I'm wondering if

1205
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,460
you're going to change the Dark theme of

1206
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,160
your background at some point uh

1207
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:57,839
okay because you're wearing black I mean

1208
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:59,400
I'm wearing black too I don't normally

1209
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,660
do this but I thought it'd be good

1210
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:02,819
contrast for this well I did it because

1211
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,220
like I just had a t-shirt on and if you

1212
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:06,960
put the see how that see what that does

1213
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,420
to the camera yep that's pretty horrible

1214
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,480
so always I was just scrambling around

1215
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:14,640
trying to get something

1216
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:17,220
and this was I could have run upstairs

1217
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:19,619
and got another I have all these

1218
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,619
t-shirts that I've made to inspire me

1219
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:25,920
this one says keep the main thing the

1220
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:30,000
main thing you know yoga t-shirt same

1221
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,040
thing and I keep the what what do you

1222
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:34,020
think it said eat the man thing the big

1223
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:37,800
thing that was fun anyway okay well

1224
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,540
that's fine I'm just gonna say this just

1225
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:41,760
uh I I am a little

1226
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:44,099
still thinking about the

1227
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:46,200
Andy Paquette doctor's art thing because

1228
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,940
nobody knows that connection a person's

1229
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,339
going to come out because I I wrote

1230
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,099
these papers where I I talk about all

1231
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:56,160
this yeah it's out it's out trust me

1232
00:46:02,690 --> 00:45:59,819
anyone who wanted to you're not hiding

1233
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,700
anyone who wanted to find would find you

1234
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:04,800
in a in a second

1235
00:46:08,349 --> 00:46:07,140
they don't care anymore they don't care

1236
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:08,359
anymore

1237
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:11,700
about that time has passed

1238
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,040
they don't care anymore No One's Gonna

1239
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:16,640
fix this problem no one's going to jail

1240
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:19,380
so we can just tell we could just tell

1241
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:22,859
folks what happened and that the true

1242
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,520
the true Spirit of truth that finding is

1243
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,859
uh will will win out if it's supposed to

1244
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,440
win out you know just out of curiosity I

1245
00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:33,480
don't know I know I I'd like to be more

1246
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,099
optimistic that something would happen

1247
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,920
this would be fixed but let's take your

1248
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,079
position as as true for the time being

1249
00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:41,760
okay so let's say it's exactly as you

1250
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:42,599
say

1251
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:45,480
so if things continue like this what do

1252
00:46:49,069 --> 00:46:47,400
you see for the future you know the

1253
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:49,079
thing that I always point to especially

1254
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:51,720
recently I don't know why this puts

1255
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:54,060
people on tilt but if you know me well

1256
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,520
enough Andy that you know is as soon as

1257
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,319
I found that this immediately put people

1258
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,020
on tilt I just go there all the time and

1259
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:03,960
that's slavery in America

1260
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,560
yeah well that's what it is well no I'm

1261
00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:08,960
talking about

1262
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:11,540
1800s 17

1263
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:15,780
1800s yeah yeah that is that is demonic

1264
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,099
that is satanic in I'm not Christian but

1265
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:23,280
whatever those terms mean that is that

1266
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:25,380
you would take this person

1267
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,380
you would enslave them to do work

1268
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:31,200
you would go to church on Sunday and

1269
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,940
then come home and rape their little

1270
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:35,280
eight-year-old daughter or son as you

1271
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:37,740
pleased that you would rip a child from

1272
00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:41,099
the mother's arms and sell her this is

1273
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:45,780
satanic this is evil and this went on

1274
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:50,579
for year after year decade after decade

1275
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,460
we fought a war over it people still

1276
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:55,980
want to recast that I'm always amazed at

1277
00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:58,500
people who want to apologize or kind of

1278
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,599
change that history no we fought a war

1279
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,400
over that now we did it for another

1280
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:04,800
hundred years so I think sometimes when

1281
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:07,859
we get caught up with our special little

1282
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,440
point in the timeline and you know how

1283
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,140
oh my God what is going to happen hey as

1284
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,359
a country we

1285
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,520
we live through that you want to jump

1286
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:19,680
ahead in the timeline the other one I

1287
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:22,500
like to go to is Abu grape

1288
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,220
Abu grave remember the photos we went

1289
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:28,079
out on the battlefield

1290
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,280
and we scooped up these people we later

1291
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:34,800
found out that about half of them were

1292
00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:36,599
really combatants so there were just

1293
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,339
innocent people that were on the

1294
00:48:43,970 --> 00:48:40,880
battlefield and we did the most horrific

1295
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:43,980
torture of them imaginable if you want

1296
00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:46,200
to remember those photos what made them

1297
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,420
stand in their own feces in Europe

1298
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:53,400
we handcuffed and made them do perverse

1299
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,319
sexual acts that went against their

1300
00:49:01,790 --> 00:48:58,319
deepest spiritual traditions we did

1301
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:01,800
stuff to their genitals we did this the

1302
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:06,119
U.S military did this and no one really

1303
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,319
went to jail or was accountable so you

1304
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:12,240
know what's gonna what's gonna happen

1305
00:49:17,809 --> 00:49:15,480
what's gonna happen over over this I

1306
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:17,819
mean what's going to happen is

1307
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,599
what you're doing right now will find a

1308
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,300
way to go forward and hopefully make it

1309
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,839
better but for God's sake let's own our

1310
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:29,940
history a little bit here and use that

1311
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,480
as a as a guide to what well you know

1312
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:36,000
it's funny because my my dreams have

1313
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:37,980
something to say about this that I I

1314
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,900
don't really share a whole lot just

1315
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,339
because I don't like to think that it's

1316
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:43,560
true but and one thing since you

1317
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:44,760
mentioned I would grave I actually have

1318
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:46,440
a personal connection to that story and

1319
00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:50,099
that is when I caught the Sony taking or

1320
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:51,780
not taking my covering up for another

1321
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:53,160
company to save money from the

1322
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:54,900
Department of Defense

1323
00:50:00,589 --> 00:49:58,500
we had Seymour Hersh from uh you know

1324
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:00,599
the Village Voice who was going to do a

1325
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,180
story about it and but then when my

1326
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:05,700
attorney called him you know with Apollo

1327
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:08,220
call her said I'm sorry I have to drop

1328
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:10,980
that story because I'm on a plane to

1329
00:50:14,809 --> 00:50:13,020
this place called Abu great it's a

1330
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:14,819
bigger story and that's what I'm gonna

1331
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:17,339
I'm gonna do instead but anyway but

1332
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:20,579
with my dreams uh they are saying very

1333
00:50:24,050 --> 00:50:22,380
very bad things are happening are going

1334
00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:24,060
to happen to America they're going to be

1335
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,800
devastating and they're going to be

1336
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:27,359
totally unexpected but they it's going

1337
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:30,060
to be very very devastating so one thing

1338
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:33,540
that I would ask the Mystic again very

1339
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,560
famously uh Ken ring Kenneth ring who is

1340
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,079
uh prominent near-death experience

1341
00:50:45,790 --> 00:50:42,720
researcher and parapsychology researcher

1342
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:45,800
focused in on these people who had

1343
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,680
precognitive dreams of environmental

1344
00:50:54,049 --> 00:50:51,960
disaster and a lot of people have had

1345
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:54,059
those over and over again

1346
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:55,800
and there was another independent

1347
00:50:59,930 --> 00:50:57,720
researcher that did the same and they

1348
00:51:02,710 --> 00:50:59,940
came up with the same results and the

1349
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:02,720
results were This large-scale Global

1350
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,540
Environmental disaster in the 1980s

1351
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:09,599
yeah so it didn't occur it did it didn't

1352
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:11,940
occur so that's why I totally respect

1353
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:14,400
everything that you just said and I just

1354
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:17,460
say maybe maybe not I and I kind of

1355
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:19,980
think that I am a co-creator of this

1356
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:22,020
reality and I'm not in the back seat

1357
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,220
waiting for America to fall apart or for

1358
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:28,319
the world to fall apart and also I look

1359
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:31,260
at it from a pragmatic level it's we're

1360
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:33,540
still the beacon of height where would

1361
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:36,180
you go where where would you go would

1362
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,099
you go to China would you go to Russia

1363
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:40,619
would you go to Europe we have to make

1364
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:43,980
this the best we can because despite

1365
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:47,640
everything else we still have some of

1366
00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:51,240
the keys to the kingdom we can to the

1367
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:53,579
best of our ability restore it better

1368
00:51:58,010 --> 00:51:55,800
than we have a chance yeah if you're if

1369
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:58,020
we're having this conversation in China

1370
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:00,660
or Russia or a million other places

1371
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:03,780
there is no chance that we will affect

1372
00:52:09,049 --> 00:52:06,900
any change at least here

1373
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:09,059
there's a chance you're doing it you're

1374
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:10,319
doing the work

1375
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,640
you know it's funny while you're

1376
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:13,920
attacking I have this this image came to

1377
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,140
me uh for when I'm painting you know

1378
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:17,760
back back when I was like this painting

1379
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,800
behind me okay so when I make my

1380
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:21,540
paintings I want my colors to be clean

1381
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:24,300
so to do that I mix my colors before I

1382
00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:26,099
put any brush Strokes down on the canvas

1383
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:27,780
okay so I figure out what all the colors

1384
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:29,339
are that I'm going to need before I do

1385
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:31,740
anything okay and then when I change

1386
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:34,380
colors I change brushes also so I don't

1387
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:37,020
get the paint mixed up right but I hate

1388
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:38,760
to throw away all this expensive paint

1389
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,920
when I'm done with the painting so I

1390
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:42,720
will take usually I take like a piece of

1391
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:44,220
paper and I'd make a quick like

1392
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:46,859
duplicate of the painting on paper just

1393
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:48,300
using all those colors I figure at least

1394
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:50,040
that way I've got a record but then I

1395
00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:51,240
still have a lot of paint left over so

1396
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,220
what I do is I dump it all into a jar

1397
00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:56,520
for basically a gray color a dark purple

1398
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,619
or something right so it all gets mixed

1399
00:53:02,569 --> 00:53:00,000
together it's big mess so then I've got

1400
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:02,579
a jaron's Gunk basically okay and so

1401
00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:04,859
whenever I need Gunk added to like a

1402
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:07,020
bright color I could go go get it okay

1403
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,960
so when I when I look at Humanity I'm

1404
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,480
thinking of all this gunk in this jar it

1405
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,460
was all these pure colors at one time

1406
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:17,119
but now it's just like gray garbage okay

1407
00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:21,420
and and looking at the task of improving

1408
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:23,880
humanity is trying to go in there and

1409
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:26,760
find all the individual specs of Lake

1410
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:29,220
cadmium yellow media and washing off all

1411
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,619
that other junk and taking them out and

1412
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:33,240
making them pure again and then putting

1413
00:53:36,829 --> 00:53:34,980
them together where they belong that's

1414
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:36,839
what it feels like it's a huge trap test

1415
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:39,059
that makes sense

1416
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,680
where does that lead you because because

1417
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,480
here was the point remember is you're

1418
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:45,119
saying I had these precognitive dreams

1419
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,220
man America's going down the tubes and

1420
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:48,720
I'm like not so fast that's the other

1421
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:50,940
thing that comes back that does kind of

1422
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,859
kind of peeve me about the Mystic is

1423
00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:55,440
that come back into this world look at

1424
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,300
this timeline and use something called

1425
00:54:01,010 --> 00:53:59,040
the scientific method and look at the

1426
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,020
data and look at the exceptions to the

1427
00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:02,640
data and we have to explain those too

1428
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,440
because as we know it's got scientists

1429
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:06,720
the exceptions sometimes tell us more

1430
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,460
than the pattern so here are the

1431
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:10,440
exceptions it doesn't always work out

1432
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:13,020
like you think yeah so first up I've

1433
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:14,339
referenced the research you're talking

1434
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:16,500
about as an example of exactly what you

1435
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,380
just said because I I want to be aware

1436
00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:21,900
of these kinds of things and I want to

1437
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:23,339
be aware of the facts that they don't

1438
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:25,260
always pan out I want to have an idea of

1439
00:54:30,349 --> 00:54:28,260
why that is so when I talk about it in

1440
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:30,359
the context of the dreams I've had about

1441
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,980
the future which has nothing to do with

1442
00:54:36,049 --> 00:54:34,079
an environmental Disaster by the way I

1443
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,059
have that same attitude well let's wait

1444
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:38,400
and see what happens the thing that

1445
00:54:41,690 --> 00:54:40,140
bothers me is that everything's trending

1446
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:41,700
in that direction now it wasn't before

1447
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:43,740
but now it is that's that's the thing

1448
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:45,720
that makes it more interesting because

1449
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:48,540
when I'm when I see the like the dream I

1450
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:50,460
had of New York being it not completely

1451
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,859
but nearly depopulated and the way it

1452
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,660
happens where none of the buildings get

1453
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:56,579
destroyed it's just that people leave

1454
00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:58,980
willingly and then other people come in

1455
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,900
and take their place but not at the same

1456
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,700
numbers so you've got like 90 of the

1457
00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:05,280
city is gone and or and then you've got

1458
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:07,079
the ten percent remaining I can actually

1459
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:09,000
picture that happening now as a

1460
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:11,640
combination of lost Commerce okay the

1461
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:13,020
pandemic pardon me

1462
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:14,940
and all this illegal immigration going

1463
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:16,920
on I can see all three of those things

1464
00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:19,020
conspiring to create a scenario like the

1465
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:21,000
one in that dream whereas prior to like

1466
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:22,319
two years ago I wouldn't have been able

1467
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:24,359
to picture that uh the you know the

1468
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:26,040
pandemic policies those things scared

1469
00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:27,540
the Daylights out of me because these

1470
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,059
vaccines I don't think we've even gotten

1471
00:55:33,049 --> 00:55:31,920
close to knowing the extent of damage

1472
00:55:35,089 --> 00:55:33,059
that's been caused by those things

1473
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,099
because they have you know some people

1474
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:37,440
drop dead right away some people get my

1475
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:39,000
card I just buy two months or three

1476
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:40,980
months or six months later we have no

1477
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:43,260
way of knowing yet the magnitude of the

1478
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:44,819
harm that's been caused and not only

1479
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:46,980
that even the people who don't die if

1480
00:55:51,049 --> 00:55:49,079
they're just debilitated and they can't

1481
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:51,059
function at the same levels they're less

1482
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:53,940
productive you know and and that lack of

1483
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:56,640
productivity is Meaningful because it

1484
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:59,160
means our infrastructure is disabled and

1485
00:56:02,569 --> 00:56:00,599
that is important because having a

1486
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,579
disabled infrastructure disables people

1487
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:05,280
too in another way do you ever notice

1488
00:56:11,809 --> 00:56:08,700
Andy how you can seamlessly shift from

1489
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:11,819
this incredibly mystical view of the

1490
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,359
world to this very mechanical database

1491
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:17,400
spreadsheet which is valuable I'm not

1492
00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:19,079
I'm not criticizing you Andy because

1493
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:21,000
it's extremely valuable you couldn't

1494
00:56:25,309 --> 00:56:23,220
have done the work you've done on the

1495
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,319
elections without that but the the

1496
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:28,079
switch that you do is very interesting

1497
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:29,819
and I'm not sure quite what to make of

1498
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:31,980
it and I want to know are you are you

1499
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,800
kind of aware of of that kind of well

1500
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:36,960
you just said it's like a total surprise

1501
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:39,960
to me actually interesting

1502
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,780
uh but no I I don't I don't think of it

1503
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:45,599
that way I do know I am aware that I

1504
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,540
have a tendency to draw analogies quite

1505
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:50,400
frequently and I'd have a reputation

1506
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,859
among the people who know me for drawing

1507
00:56:56,329 --> 00:56:55,440
pretty good you know analogies I think

1508
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,339
you might have noticed that yourself

1509
00:57:00,410 --> 00:56:58,980
every once in a while I actually uh what

1510
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:00,420
did what was the nickname there was this

1511
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:02,760
uh guy made a nickname for me that had

1512
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:04,859
the word analogy in it and I forget what

1513
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:06,900
it was it was it was not a friendly

1514
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,079
nickname this guy didn't like the fact

1515
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,520
that I did that all the time but I just

1516
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:13,200
found it easier to explain myself that

1517
00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:14,700
way you're an artist it's like you're

1518
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:17,700
fantastic illustrations I mean I'm

1519
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:19,740
looking at those and like I mean a

1520
00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:21,480
picture is worth a thousand words it's

1521
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,819
it's unbelievable we we Auto we ought to

1522
00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:25,680
wrap this up we could because and the

1523
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,819
reason I just said that is not because I

1524
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:31,859
have to go or that I want to cut this

1525
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:35,040
off it's that I almost I felt this urge

1526
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:36,599
to talk about

1527
00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:41,579
AI now and these AI generated images and

1528
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,819
what you think those mean to Art and

1529
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:47,760
what those say about the art

1530
00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:50,339
Consciousness and our creativity and the

1531
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:52,800
Turing test and all the rest of that and

1532
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:54,599
I kind of feel like that's an hour

1533
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:56,760
discussion that I can't even I can't

1534
00:58:02,089 --> 00:57:58,980
even it is and I have opinions about

1535
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:02,099
artificially generated art also uh very

1536
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:04,680
very strong opinions about that let's

1537
00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:07,020
let's do let's do an AI interview

1538
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:11,160
yeah maybe so okay uh I I will talk to

1539
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:13,380
you later then have a good day thanks

1540
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,300
again to Dr Andy Paquette for joining me

1541
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:17,760
today on skeptico the one question I tee

1542
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,700
up from this interview is what the heck

1543
00:58:25,849 --> 00:58:22,920
are we to make of the time space

1544
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,859
continuum that we think we're on

1545
00:58:31,609 --> 00:58:28,559
when people like Andy seem to be able to

1546
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:31,619
twist it turn it manipulate it and then

1547
00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:33,240
I guess if I was going to sneak in a

1548
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:34,859
second question

1549
00:58:41,089 --> 00:58:38,040
why does that not necessarily lead to

1550
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:41,099
kind of a perfect knowledge of

1551
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,660
everything

1552
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:44,880
love to hear your thoughts track me down